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  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 57,484 spicy boy
    nah its pretty clear she has never had any force training, she doesn't really believe in it, and then discovers she has it and masters it instantly. 
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  • NecrothulhuNecrothulhu Posts: 33,444 master of ceremonies
    Then why was she so surprised when she finds out everything she's heard is true and real? Either way I don't really give a shit. Never have been a big SW fan
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  • FIRENATHANIELHACKETTFIRENATHANIELHACKETT Posts: 35,393 spicy boy
    Then why was she so surprised when she finds out everything she's heard is true and real? Either way I don't really give a shit. Never have been a big SW fan
    Then shut the fuck up hoe
  • NecrothulhuNecrothulhu Posts: 33,444 master of ceremonies
  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 57,484 spicy boy
    SW > 
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  • NecrothulhuNecrothulhu Posts: 33,444 master of ceremonies
    So I suppose since I'm not a massive or diehard SW fan I should stfu about everything SW? Gotcha
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  • FIRENATHANIELHACKETTFIRENATHANIELHACKETT Posts: 35,393 spicy boy
    nah its pretty clear she has never had any force training, she doesn't really believe in it, and then discovers she has it and masters it instantly. 
    When Kylo reads her mind he says something about an island. So she knew Luke's location and the location of the first Jedi temple. She's been there before. As Marc said, she might have had her memory wiped.
  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 57,484 spicy boy
    edited December 2015
    She knew the location because she saw BB8's map. 

    I also think her vision was an hallucination, not sight of the past. 
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  • FIRENATHANIELHACKETTFIRENATHANIELHACKETT Posts: 35,393 spicy boy
    :| BB8's map was incomplete....
  • SATANSATAN Posts: 25,795 spicy boy
    Dab said:
    SATAN said:
    It's like they were like "how are we gonna find a way to shoehorn a token nig in for this series?" It made me lol that they still made him a coward and the jock white girl still wanted his D lol
    Why cant a character just be black? Why does it have to be a token nig?
    Mainly cuz he's still the only black dude in that whole galaxy other than Mase Windu. Star Wars is like KISS now. The art takes a back seat to the merch sales. They're trying to appeal to every demographic possible now. Seen a McDonalds commercial lately? Or really anything aimed at the 13-45 crowd? It's all evenly mixed groups of people being happeh together. Now little black kids have a hero they can emulate in light saber battles with their white friends. I'm not complaining. It's a beautiful thang from a certain perspective. But I'm a cynic when it comes to corporate art, especially something licensed to the gills like Star Wars. It's very calculated IMO, and it came across to me that way in the movie. I prefer the way Marvel handles it by adding in minorities in a very organic manner. These guys went and bent the lore of their story to toss a random black guy in. They pretty much made the Clone shit of the prequels an even bigger waste of time...aside from giving us more Boba Fett toys #yolo 
  • FIRENATHANIELHACKETTFIRENATHANIELHACKETT Posts: 35,393 spicy boy
    Whats hilarious is a lot of the criticism's of TFA also can be applied to the prior movies.

    How much training did Luke have in A New Hope? Like a few days? Yet he uses the force to assist in his shot that destroyed the death star. 

    What about in Empire Strikes back? How long was he on Degobah the first time? A week? Maybe 2? 

    So between Obi Won and Yoda, Luke got MAYBE a month of training. Then he faces Vader, who had roughly 30+ years of training and is the most powerful force user to ever exist, and Luke doesnt get absolutely raped the first time they fight. 
  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 57,484 spicy boy
    Dab said:
    :| BB8's map was incomplete....
    yea but the reason Kylo captured her was because she saw BB8's piece. Rey did not know where Luke was. It is never explicitly said she does. There is no indication that she has met him before. And there is no indication that she had any force training prior to discovering it while captured. 
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  • SATANSATAN Posts: 25,795 spicy boy
    One thing I liked was having the wreckage of old ships being reappropriated and pillaged. I think it was a little bit of nostalgia porn though. You never saw people living in broken down machines in the other films even though intergalactic machinery wasn't a new thing in them either. It was a nice touch though. It's interesting to me in scifi stuff when machinery is old and broken instead of everything being ridiculously new and shiny all the time.


  • SATANSATAN Posts: 25,795 spicy boy
    What if Rey is a product of Luke and Leia incest. That's why Han left and why Kylo abandoned the fam. Why he turned on Luke and is ashamed of his father. 
  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 57,484 spicy boy
    edited December 2015

    Dab said:
    Whats hilarious is a lot of the criticism's of TFA also can be applied to the prior movies.

    How much training did Luke have in A New Hope? Like a few days? Yet he uses the force to assist in his shot that destroyed the death star. 

    What about in Empire Strikes back? How long was he on Degobah the first time? A week? Maybe 2? 

    So between Obi Won and Yoda, Luke got MAYBE a month of training. Then he faces Vader, who had roughly 30+ years of training and is the most powerful force user to ever exist, and Luke doesnt get absolutely raped the first time they fight. 
    Yea but in Episode 4, the extent of Luke's force/lightsaber abilities come down to: He fought a training droid, he timed a proton torpedo shot. Using it as aim assist =/= being able to fight a trained sith. 

    Episode 5: He pulled a lightsaber out of the snow, jumped out of the carbonite pit, fought Vader who wanted to turn him NOT kill him - which he ultimately lost, and telepathically connected with Leia. 

    Episode 6: Used a Jedi mind trick, levitated 3PO, and fought Vader and Emperor - which he lost, and was being zapped by the Emperor, and Vader had to save the day. 

    So nothing impressive in the short span of his training. Factor in his training with Yoda was away on a deserted planet, training for 12 hours a day on nothing but Jedi skills, it makes sense what he was able to do. 

    Don't forget, when Luke first saw a Lightsaber, he was looking into it with the blade pointed towards his eye. He didn't know shit. And he got shot by a training droid. He wasn't fighting Storm troopers with the saber in A New Hope. 
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  • FIRENATHANIELHACKETTFIRENATHANIELHACKETT Posts: 35,393 spicy boy
    SATAN said:
    Dab said:
    SATAN said:
    It's like they were like "how are we gonna find a way to shoehorn a token nig in for this series?" It made me lol that they still made him a coward and the jock white girl still wanted his D lol
    Why cant a character just be black? Why does it have to be a token nig?
    Mainly cuz he's still the only black dude in that whole galaxy other than Mase Windu. Star Wars is like KISS now. The art takes a back seat to the merch sales. They're trying to appeal to every demographic possible now. Seen a McDonalds commercial lately? Or really anything aimed at the 13-45 crowd? It's all evenly mixed groups of people being happeh together. Now little black kids have a hero they can emulate in light saber battles with their white friends. I'm not complaining. It's a beautiful thang from a certain perspective. But I'm a cynic when it comes to corporate art, especially something licensed to the gills like Star Wars. It's very calculated IMO, and it came across to me that way in the movie. I prefer the way Marvel handles it by adding in minorities in a very organic manner. These guys went and bent the lore of their story to toss a random black guy in. They pretty much made the Clone shit of the prequels an even bigger waste of time...aside from giving us more Boba Fett toys #yolo 
    A. Lando, the military captain on Naboo, Leia's adoptive father...

    B. I wouldn't say the bent backwards to change the lore. There were only so many clones produced, and it is 30 years later. Its a different empire. If they were to do it the Marvel way they would've just straight up changed Chewbacca into a girl or Leia would've been black
  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 57,484 spicy boy
    I'm honestly hoping Luke turns out to be evil, and Hamill speaks in his Joker voice for the future movies. 
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  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 57,484 spicy boy
    Dab said:
    SATAN said:
    Dab said:
    SATAN said:
    It's like they were like "how are we gonna find a way to shoehorn a token nig in for this series?" It made me lol that they still made him a coward and the jock white girl still wanted his D lol
    Why cant a character just be black? Why does it have to be a token nig?
    Mainly cuz he's still the only black dude in that whole galaxy other than Mase Windu. Star Wars is like KISS now. The art takes a back seat to the merch sales. They're trying to appeal to every demographic possible now. Seen a McDonalds commercial lately? Or really anything aimed at the 13-45 crowd? It's all evenly mixed groups of people being happeh together. Now little black kids have a hero they can emulate in light saber battles with their white friends. I'm not complaining. It's a beautiful thang from a certain perspective. But I'm a cynic when it comes to corporate art, especially something licensed to the gills like Star Wars. It's very calculated IMO, and it came across to me that way in the movie. I prefer the way Marvel handles it by adding in minorities in a very organic manner. These guys went and bent the lore of their story to toss a random black guy in. They pretty much made the Clone shit of the prequels an even bigger waste of time...aside from giving us more Boba Fett toys #yolo 
    A. Lando, the military captain on Naboo, Leia's adoptive father...

    B. I wouldn't say the bent backwards to change the lore. There were only so many clones produced, and it is 30 years later. Its a different empire. If they were to do it the Marvel way they would've just straight up changed Chewbacca into a girl or Leia would've been black
    it makes sense that not all Storm Troopers would be clones anymore. The Jango clones were born with advanced aging. So it would make sense that they would die off quicker than a normal human. Additionally, they were like 30/40 years of age during the time of the clone wars. Episodes 4, 5, and 6 take place roughly 20 years after the prequels, and the new movies take place 30 years after that. Which would put the clones at like 80-90 years of age. Hardly battle material. 

    And thats without considering accelerated aging. 
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  • FIRENATHANIELHACKETTFIRENATHANIELHACKETT Posts: 35,393 spicy boy
    Dab said:
    :| BB8's map was incomplete....
    yea but the reason Kylo captured her was because she saw BB8's piece. Rey did not know where Luke was. It is never explicitly said she does. There is no indication that she has met him before. And there is no indication that she had any force training prior to discovering it while captured. 
    BB8's map did not have his location on it period. It was a galactic map, and an incomplete one at that. So explain how her brain contained the information that Luke is on a small island?
  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 57,484 spicy boy
    Dab said:
    Dab said:
    :| BB8's map was incomplete....
    yea but the reason Kylo captured her was because she saw BB8's piece. Rey did not know where Luke was. It is never explicitly said she does. There is no indication that she has met him before. And there is no indication that she had any force training prior to discovering it while captured. 
    BB8's map did not have his location on it period. It was a galactic map, and an incomplete one at that. So explain how her brain contained the information that Luke is on a small island?
    she didn't, outside of that vision. but Kylo didn't know that. And she still didn't know where Luke was other than him possibly being on a small island. That doesn't mean she has a past being trained by Luke, nor does it mean she knew she had force abilities at the start of the movie. 

    Not denying that she could be Luke's kid (in fact, it seems VERY likely and predictable), but I dont think she was raised/trained at all by him. 
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